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Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
JR Schnabel got DQ'd for having a different year motor than the frame he was running in the singles class this year.

That is a stupid rule!

Are there any other stupid rules anyone can think of that need to be discarded going into 2010?

Tires? Fuel?
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
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JR Schnabel got DQ'd for having a different year motor than the frame he was running in the singles class this year.

That is a stupid rule!

Are there any other stupid rules anyone can think of that need to be discarded going into 2010?

Tires? Fuel?


What part of "We don't have a say" do you not understand?
AMA Pro Racing is not a Democracy.

Dale
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Lineaweaver wrote:
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morsecode7 wrote:
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JR Schnabel got DQ'd for having a different year motor than the frame he was running in the singles class this year.

That is a stupid rule!

Are there any other stupid rules anyone can think of that need to be discarded going into 2010?

Tires? Fuel?


What part of "We don't have a say" do you not understand? :huh:
AMA Pro Racing is not a Democracy.

:laugh:

Dale

Good point!

Regardless of the outcome. I wanted to compile all of the stupid rules into one thread. Go ahead and make a list Dale... OK a long list.
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
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Go ahead and make a list Dale... :dry: OK a long list.


Jeremy,
"I made a list, checked it twice.........
Even pointed out who was naughty and who was nice."

DMG / AMA is a private company. They make the rules.
Additional whining from me will not improve our situation.

I now patiently await the Phoenix.

Dale
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
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I now patiently await the Phoenix.

Dale

You mean like, The Bandit?
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
The key ponit in Dale's post is that DMG/AMA is a private company, the riders are licensed contractors, licensed by DMG/AMA. It is important to realize that the paper work filled out each year is an application, not a registration. The trick is to decide as a contractor who you are willing to work for and who you are not. DMG/AMA puts out the product and parameters, it seems that there are alot of teams and individuals that are more than willing to do their work. DMG/AMA has the option to reject the application of any contractor. This is nothing new in motorsports, in Speedway GP the participants are chosen by a committee, in MotoGP the teams must sign big money contracts to participate. Think how they feel about rules that change mid year and they are bound by contract to obey them...at least in flattrack you could just choose to participate somewhere else. For now I don't see too many other series (yes there are some that are comparible) for flattrack that are bigger or better than the DMG/AMA show.

P.S. Mia, I am, for sure, not trying to start some crap by posting this, just trying to express my opinion
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
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P.S. Mia, I am, for sure, not trying to start some crap by posting this, just trying to express my opinion :)


LOL! Opinion was respectfully received, and noted as being well-presented as well... for whatever my view is worth.
If we COULD have a say in revamping any rules for next season, though, there is one particular rule that has driven me nuts since I first spotted it.
The rules state that no pets, at ANY time, are permitted in the pits... but that all pets in the paddock area must be kept leashed or caged at all times.
um...what?
I understand, pits and paddocks are seperate areas, but still... you asked.
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Lineaweaver wrote:
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Go ahead and make a list Dale... :dry: OK a long list.


I now patiently await the Phoenix.

Dale

Don't worry, Dale... the Phoenix is definitely rising on THIS one.
 
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I told my Pap and Mame I was goin to the dirttrack to go flattrackin.ACTED LIKE THEY WAS GUT SHOT!Says SON,Make your life goes here,HEREs WHERE THE PEOPLES IS,FLATTRACK IS FULL OF SPEED AND DANGER.Mother Larcom I SAYS,FLATTRACK IS THE MARROW OF THE WORLD, BY GOSH,I WAS RIGHT!!! chew
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Chew and family wrote:
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Lineaweaver wrote:
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morsecode7 wrote:
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Go ahead and make a list Dale... :dry: OK a long list.


I now patiently await the Phoenix.

Dale

Don't worry, Dale... the Phoenix is definitely rising on THIS one. ;)


I think the Phoenix will have illegal gas and be way too loud!
and cut tires.
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
OK... so, the underlying theme I seem to hear over and over is that the Powers That Be don't place a lot of emphasis on what the contractors (AKA riders)and their crews feel about the rules and regulations that are issued to them. IF anyone speaks up about a rule change that they view is unfair, they are basically told to "love it or leave it." If someone CONTINUES to issue opinions on this matter, the first of the two options is eventually eliminated.
Wow.
Yes, I am fully aware that this is a BUSINESS, butI can think of another eight-letter word that begins with the letter "B," which I feel describes this practice just as well.
When a company has reached the point where its "employees" are no longer offered even a token voice in the procedure and regulations under which this business operates... well, that sounds an awful lot like tyranny and self-service, to me.
Surely, no one is going to tell ME (a star-struck newbie, who thinks flat tracking is truly the greatest of all past times) that certain organizations would DARE to ask its participants to lay their finances, time, and physical well-being on the line to pad the pockets of investors, without at least CONSULTING these same participants on rule changes and exclusions, prior to setting them in stone?
Now, I am not a racer. I have, however, read the rule book... which is more than I can say for SOME of the folks who were INVOLVED in the Great AMA Acquisition of '08. (If you don't believe me, check out the transcript from the May '08 press release. See? "I haven't even looked at the rule books."
Is this also common practice in other successful businesses?
"Hey, this company is wanting to get rid of its line of Green Goober products. I'll buy it... even though I really don't know what in the heck a Green Goober is."
Then, to start ripping off rules and regulations for employees...
"Well, we want to keep all of our employees on equal leverage, so we will only hire men that are exactly 5'8" tall, with green eyes, auburn hair, and wearing only brand-new Nike shoes."
After all, a 5'10" tall woman may have an advantage of reaching top-shelved Green Goobers quicker than her counterparts, which would give her a potentially quicker time on the production line, and an unfair advantage toward future promotion opportunities. And perhaps blue or brown eyes have better color vision than green... or slightly WORSE color vision. Who knows?
"And Nike is our sponsor, so we have to insist that our employees exclusively wear THEIR shoes, although other brands might work as well."
If THAT is the case, then the first change I would make (if I were in any such position, which I am not) would be to consult with the other Higher Powers about the need for a representative panel, comprised of riders, crew members, etc. whom had been selected by their peers, to review any rules and regulations currently in place as well as to offer input and suggestions on any new ones being considered... PRIOR to their addition to the books.
Now, I'm going to assume that a well-respected organization like the AMA/DMG already HAS such a panel in place. I mean, don't all of the other Big Businesses? At least, the more successful ones? In which case, I would stick with my initial answer...
Keeping your non-existant pets leashed or caged while they are in the paddocks where they are not allowed to be at all, under any circumstances.
(The previous is skewed by my view and opinion only, and does not reflect the views or opinions of anyone who has posted on this thread prior to myself, unless otherwise indicated elsewhere. Any disagreement or dispute on this part of the thread which can not be expressed peaceably here may be directed to my e-mail, where it may potentially be read and taken into consideration at a later date.)
Hey, this Higher power stuff may have some use, after all!
You asked for it!
 
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Last Edit: 2009/11/03 06:58 By Chew and family.
 
I told my Pap and Mame I was goin to the dirttrack to go flattrackin.ACTED LIKE THEY WAS GUT SHOT!Says SON,Make your life goes here,HEREs WHERE THE PEOPLES IS,FLATTRACK IS FULL OF SPEED AND DANGER.Mother Larcom I SAYS,FLATTRACK IS THE MARROW OF THE WORLD, BY GOSH,I WAS RIGHT!!! chew
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
Belive the are participants and not contractors. While they may be issued a 1099 at season's end for payment exceeding $600, none receive a salary from AMA/DMG. They are similar to the gamblers that frequent a Casino, have a registered card/SS Number on file.

US Supreme Court in a decision years ago allowed racers not under contract and earning a salary with a racing sanction to be allowed to participate in other contests of speed, that were not sanctioned by an individual sanction, that they also participated in.

That ruling also removed the section in the rules that the Sanction could fine and penalize racers for participating in other sanctioned or non-sanctioned competing events, that the racer was a member of. Thus allowing them to earn their income from their chosen skill trade.

Nearly impossible in the U.S. to impose convenants on any individual that prohibits them from conducting business using their skills.
 
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Re:Stupid Rules? 10 Months, 1 Week ago  
JR DID NOT get DQ'd...they took his bike back to AMA Headquarters because they thought something was goofy with the frame. it wasn't. he got his points back. It was not stated in the rule book for 2009 that you couldn't have a different year motor in a different frame, so they couldn't do anything about it. i have HEARD (read, could be false) that that will be changed for 2010.
 
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